BEN SHAPIRO (HOST): So Democrats, of course, are pushing this incredibly hard. What’s fascinating is which Republicans are also pushing this incredibly hard. Because the question there is what is the agenda? Do they actually believe Trump is complicit in a cover-up? If so, they should just say so out loud. This is the part that nobody will ask them. Do they think Donald Trump is covering the Epstein stuff up? If they think Donald Trump is covering the Epstein stuff up, will someone not ask them? I’m asking right now. I’m asking Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie — if you think Donald Trump is covering up the Epstein stuff, what is it that you think he is covering up and why? Can you please just explain it? Seriously. You’re the ones making the claim a cover-up is is going on of such utter epic proportions that there must be a congressional resolution to pry the files out of these hands.
Thomas Massie was walking onto the House floor with a folder named the Epstein files phase two and the bill number of a resolution he is cosponsoring with gadfly Ro Khanna, who’s attempting to get in from — he’s attempting to get attention, obviously, for a 2028 run. Massie said the Epstein bill resolution is nonbinding, so it’s kinda fake. The resolution I have with Khanna would be binding on the president. So what is it that he thinks that Trump is hiding? And why, if you are a loyal Trumpist Republican, somebody who believes the president ought to succeed, are you doing this? Why are you fostering a conspiracy theory about Trump — forget about Epstein — a conspiracy theory about a Trump cover up that Democrats are currently pushing for political gain? That is the thing that is happening right now. Marjorie Taylor Greene is doing the same thing.
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OK, fine. So why do you think he’s not giving you the so-called steak dinner, Representative Greene? Really. Like, what is your theory of the case? I would love to hear your theory of the case.
OK. Let’s be clear again on what pseudo-MAGA is doing here. I’m calling them pseudo-MAGA because Trump is the decider of MAGA. He’s the person who created MAGA. He’s the builder of MAGA. He’s the definer of MAGA. Pseudo-MAGA are people who claim to speak on behalf of the MAGA movement who represent a tiny sliver of the people who voted for Donald Trump.
What are they actually attempting to do? What they are actually attempting to do, again, is seize control of the supposed MAGA movement from the only person who founded it and created it, Donald J Trump. That is what is happening right now. They don’t like Trump’s policy in The Middle East. They don’t like Trump’s policy on Ukraine. They don’t like some of Trump’s domestic policy. And so what they are attempting to do is shift allegiances away from Trump and to some sort of bizarre agglomeration of isolationism and gigantic government subsidization scheme. I mean, Massie is on the isolationist side, he’s not on the giant government spending side. Greene seems to be on the side of of both. But whatever the case is, there’s clearly an attempt to attack Trump here. Why the attacks on Trump? That’s the question I’m asking. Go after Epstein all you want. That’s fine. But you are accusing Trump of a cover-up. So if you’re accusing Trump of a cover-up, the question is why are you — what’s the theory? Or is it a cynical play to attempt to drive down Trump’s favorables and seize control of the movement that he built? Because that’s what it looks a lot like.
That’s my theory of why you are doing what you are doing. Because I don’t believe you that you are doing this in the name of quote, unquote, transparency. Because if you were doing this in the name of quote, unquote, transparency, then presumably, when house Republicans were in control, because they’ve been in control of the House for a bit here, you would have been fostering resolutions on the release of Epstein files under Joe Biden, which I don’t recall you doing. Beyond that, again, why are you — the argument you’re making is that Trump and team are covering up the Epstein stuff. If you are joining — if you find yourself on the same side as Ro Khanna on this issue, I’m just wondering why exactly we should consider you loyal members of MAGA if this is indeed about supposed loyalty to MAGA, which is what Taylor Greene is making it all about.
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