The co-directors of the organization, which provides information about abortion pills and resources for self-managed medication abortions, spoke out about their work—and their visions for the future of abortion—in the latest episode of the Ms. Studios podcast Looking Back, Moving Forward.
Plan C is a public health resource, started in 2015 by a team of veteran advocates and researchers, sharing information and resources about self-managed abortions and access to abortion pills by mail. Its co-directors, Amy Merrill and Angie Jean-Marie, are confronting the fear and chaos of this moment by grounding themselves in their mission to share critical information about abortion access, ensure Plan C remains an accurate and up-to-date resource for people who need abortion care, and advance the future of abortion care nationwide.
In the second episode of Looking Back, Moving Forward—a Ms. podcast exploring the history of the magazine and the feminist movement—Merrill and Jean-Marie talked to me about how they envision the future of abortion access, the power of uplifting what’s real (and passing it on), and why they remain optimistic about the fight for reproductive freedom.
Jean-Marie and Merrill are joined in this episode by constitutional law and health policy expert Michele Goodwin, Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey, We Testify founder and executive director Renee Bracey Sherman, and Women’s Law Project executive director Susan Frietsche. Together, we explored the long history of women’s fight for reproductive rights in the United States—and articulated strategies for defending and expanding abortion access across the country.
This interview has been edited and re-organized for clarity and length.
Carmen Rios: What were your paths to leading Plan C?
Amy Merrill: I came to this work having done many years in other nonprofit organizations on different aspects of reproductive health and body freedom.
Coming out of a grad program in nonprofit management, I thought I was going to work in the arts, because I’m also a musician, and then I got swept up in a social justice issue in New York City, working on anti-human trafficking and sex slavery with an activist in Southeast Asia.
Then, focusing back on the United States and connecting the dots between what was happening here and there, after years of that incredibly high-stakes and complex work, I started to really get curious about what was happening in the U.S.—in particular, what was affecting the communities near where I lived and across the country—and got curious about the gaps in information and research around hormonal health and reproductive health.
That led me to meeting a woman named Francine Coeytaux, who had been working on Plan B for decades and then had recently started to pick up the megaphone about abortion pills, which she and her couple of colleagues were starting to call Plan C, and when she told me the situation with abortion pills, I was just floored.
And I said, ‘This is incredible, this is a safe and effective medication that everyone should know about and everyone should have in their medicine cabinet, and yet, no one in the U.S. seems to know about it, or if they do, they only know through Planned Parenthood.’ Long story short, I ended the meeting by asking what she needed, and she said ‘We need a website.’ And I said I can do that, I know how to build websites, and we built this informational one-page Squarespace website, to start with, and just laid out the information. That’s what became the campaign that it is today.
Angie Jean-Marie: I come to Plan C after a career that spans working in government, philanthropy, nonprofits—all on issues that impact women and children and democracy and civic engagement. I learned about Plan C just through chance, through a friend, and I met Amy for lunch one day to learn more about Plan C, and she shared that abortion pills were a thing.
I consider myself to be educated, well-resourced, but had no idea that abortion pills were a thing, and in a similar way to Amy, just felt like, ‘Wow, how is it that all of us exist without having this information?’ and at the time, Plan C was looking for some support on some communications efforts around abortion pills and was happy to dive in. It’s been an amazing experience, ever since, finding new ways for people to get educated about their options.
Rios: We know that it took forever to get the abortion pill FDA-approved, and there’s now been attempts to roll that back, with audacious claims that the FDA’s approval came too quickly. Talk to me a little bit about the landscape that we find ourselves in. Is it impacting how you do your work?
Jean-Marie: It’s no mistake that the first few months of the Trump administration have had tremendously far-reaching impacts on every aspect of life, including public health and wellbeing. We’ve already seen what [Trump] did in the first administration.
We know that there’s an entire administrative apparatus ecosystem that’s being constructed with the intention to unjustly advance policies that would undermine abortion, and at the same time, our work remains the same.
Plan C has existed for over a decade to share information about how people are accessing abortion pills, and we’re continuing to do that work. One of the things that people tend to ask us is, ‘Is it okay, what you’re doing?’
Our ability to share information is protected speech. We have the right to share information, and that hasn’t changed. We are continuing to do our work, despite what different politicians and antis say. We’re also standing firm in the fact that abortion is healthcare and abortion should be a human right. That is really how we ground our work.
We know that there is the political landscape at the federal level, but then, we also have a vast state infrastructure that also has some antagonism towards abortion. There are a whole array of unjust abortion bans that impact tens of millions of people across the country, but again, the work remains the same, until something about it needs to change.
We’re still here to share information, to provide up-to-date research and fact-finding on how people are accessing pills by mail. Our efforts to keep the Plan C guides updated have been ongoing for the last decade. We’re continuing to keep that work alive. As you could imagine, this is a very, very rapidly and constantly evolving ecosystem.
There are providers that are still here, doing the work, and there are some providers who have changed their functions. Our role is being this steadfast organization and initiative that’s doing the research, day in, day out, trying to understand what’s happening in this ecosystem, publishing it online and doing our very best to share this information as widely as possible.
Our ability to share information is protected speech. We have the right to share information, and that hasn’t changed.
Angie Jean-Marie
Merrill: It’s so important to remember that all of this is founded on stigma and on the misunderstanding about what this medication is, how safe and effective it is, and layered on the antiabortion movement and all of their reasons for campaigning against abortion access, layered on stigma against sexual and reproductive health in this country, not even wanting to talk about these things, let alone make them a public right, make them part of healthcare.
At Plan C, one of the ways that I envision our work is just by peeling layer after layer of that onion to figure out what do people need to know? What do people deserve to know? How can we better inform the general public and educate them on this method so that they can be making decisions that are the right decisions for them in an incredibly complex, sometimes impossible-feeling landscape.
So, I think that what we’re seeing, as we enter a new administration, and as things continue to shift, is more and more of a spotlight on those unjust circumstances and on the unnecessary, old, outdated stigma that surrounds something like sexual health, but it still takes a lot of work to move things along and to put out information in such a volatile environment.
Rios: Sixty-three percent of abortions are medication abortions. Are the ongoing attacks on mifepristone impacting access to these pills?
Jean-Marie: So far, we don’t see a huge ripple effect. I think there may be a provider or two who have decided to sunset their operations, and whether or not it’s because of the political landscape, we’re not exactly sure.
This entire political circumstance is confusing. There is a level of fear involved in it, but what we try to do is ground ourselves in what’s really happening.
The reality is that, right now, nothing is different. From today versus in December, for example, before Trump was inaugurated. We haven’t seen huge changes, just yet, but our role is to try to continue to research this landscape, understand what’s going on, and to share information with people.
Rios: There were a lot of conversations, especially when Dobbs first dropped, about this idea that we’re not going back to the back alleys, that abortion access and even illegal abortion access would look different in the 21st century than it did before Roe. I’m wondering what you two believe the future of abortion access is going to look like in this country, short- and long-term.
Merrill: What comes to mind is that we’ve been on this same trajectory for a decade, and like Angie mentioned, not much is changing because our message is pretty consistent. We had this vision. We recognized the transformative opportunity of the pills.
My public health research cofounders didn’t just come up with it. They were doing international research, where they saw, in so many other countries, that you could just walk into a pharmacy and get this medication.
That’s why they came home and went, ‘What is happening here? Why aren’t people taking more advantage of this self-managed method, the opportunity for it to be de-medicalized and actually back in the hands of people?’
Don’t forget, we have managed abortions for thousands of years, not through a medical system but through other means, on our own terms, etc. So, [our researchers] came home and said, ‘Why not here, why are people so under-informed, and what can we do to better inform the public?’
And then, lo and behold, a few years later, all of these vendors were online, selling and shipping pills. All that to say: This is a vision of pills in hands, of pills that are able to give people more agency and autonomy over their abortions. That has been a steady vision for a decade.
The future of abortion, as we see it, is one where everyone has the abortion that they want and need. They have the resources that they need. They have access to this safe and effective medication that might even be tucked away, in their cabinet, in case of future use, and that they are not at risk of being criminally prosecuted for self-managing their care.
When we talk about the current political landscape, the chaos is the point, right? Bans are about control, it’s not just controlling the outcomes of people’s lives, but it’s about control of people, in general, by creating this fear and confusion.
Amy Merrill
We have a vision of abortion pills being over the counter. De-medicalization, to us, looks like this becoming something that you can just get at a pharmacy—again, like is the case in so many countries around the world.
It’s going to take a village. It’s going to take so many factors moving in the same direction to make that a reality, but I do want to plant that seed with this audience because there are folks listening to this podcast who have all sorts of different points of connection and expertise, and that’s going to be a real push in the coming years, and I would say regardless of what administration is in power. That’s something that we see as, I would say, inevitable.
Now, we know that many aspects of that vision that I just painted are going to be challenging or perhaps are unlikely at this moment. In the meantime, we pursue the parts of the vision that are still possible under a public health lens, which is making sure people are informed and educated about pills, making sure that this ecosystem of incredible activism, provision of care, keeps going and that people know about it, that people know all that is happening under shield laws, and through hotlines, and through funds that are funding people to get the kind of support and access they need.
It really is just continuing to elevate this vision of modern abortion care, in many forms—because let’s not forget, some people will still always need in-person care, and that’s still happening, too. It’s logistically challenging in a really unfair way, but there are still ways to get in-person care.
The mandate, right now, is just to make sure that all of that is out in the light, so that people know what’s going on. They know what resources are available to them, and they know the context in which they’re operating, depending on their identity, depending on the state they live in, so they understand how to make a decision.
Rios: For people who are living in states that have a lot of abortion bans, or have empowered pharmacists to refuse to dispense the medication that you’ve been prescribed—for people coming up against those barriers, how can abortion pills by mail reframe the conversation that we’re having?
Jean-Marie: Even before the fall of Roe, abortion was not necessarily accessible for many people in this country. We’re already challenged by a lack of reproductive health infrastructure in so many different pockets and communities across the United States.
Given these bans in states across the country, obviously, abortion is harder to navigate and harder to access. We’re not here to tell anybody how to navigate their abortion. We’re not here to say that pills are the best, something else is not so great. We just want people to have information.
For folks who might live in a state where there are restrictions, and you have to figure out: How am I going to take time off of my job, find childcare, somehow find several hundred or thousands of dollars to get on an airplane, or get on a super-long bus ride, go to a community that I’ve never been to before, have this procedure, and then come back home and act like nothing ever happened. How is it all going to come together?
We do have this really modern and effective and very safe option for folks to access abortion through pills. They range from zero to $150. They can be shipped to someone’s home within three to five days.
There are a few different ways that folks can access pills: They can get them through telehealth providers that are operating within states like California or New York, where they have laws that will protect them. There are community networks where folks can access pills. There is international telehealth. There are websites that sell pills.
Our role is being this steadfast organization and initiative that’s doing the research, day in, day out, trying to understand what’s happening in this ecosystem, publishing it online and doing our very best to share this information as widely as possible.
Angie Jean-Marie
There’s a very vast ecosystem of avenues for ways for folks to get access to the pills, if they want them. I just want to underscore that at a time when abortion access was already challenging, has become even more so, we do have this other modern, very convenient option. You do it in the safety of your own space. You can have your abortion with someone in your community or on your own. You can do it with accompaniment through an app or through text messages or Signal messages. This is a very different form of care than I think the one that folks envision. We do know that people like accessing abortion pills by mail.
Folks are able to have successful abortions. They are able to feel secure. People say that the reason why they prefer pills to travelling or going to a clinic is because it’s private, is because it’s convenient, is because of the cost, is because of the support.
You’ve been asking questions about where we are in the movement and where we need to be going. Part of this is having to rewire how we think and envision what abortion looks like. We have this very old and antiquated vision of needing to be in a clinic, in a stark white room, in an uncomfortable situation, navigating through protestors. That’s just not how it has to happen, and many, many people are accessing abortion in a very different way today.
Merrill: The further opportunity of normalizing pills by mail, of letting people know this is an option, is that it actually can reduce the burden on clinics. There’s a waiting period, these days, for so many types of reproductive health appointments, and sometimes, people have to wait two weeks for an abortion appointment, and clinics are over-stretched—if they’re able to stay open—right now.
It’s not a simple transition to an ecosystem where most people are getting access from pills by mail and from some of these alternative services, but it is really important, these days, to think about the environment, think about the landscape of abortion access, holistically.
Who is still providing care? Who’s able to provide care? What are these other mechanisms? As Angie described, those mechanisms of getting care virtually and with pills in the mail are so well-researched. There are dozens and dozens of research studies out there, just reconfirming how safe and effective the medication is.
There are so many research studies since the pandemic that are describing how people are interfacing with these services, and they really like them, and that they’re very successful. This isn’t just something that movement folks are deciding is good, or is something we’re just going to push forward because we need to. It’s because we have to, because we need solutions. It really is also backed by research that people do sometimes prefer, sometimes seek out, are having very positive experiences with these services.
If you want to learn more about the actual process of telehealth, of pills by mail, we have some blogs on our website that describe the results of our research of what these processes look like.
Rios: What do you think has happened that has led us to this point—where abortion is being so challenged, and access is so difficult, and yet, Plan C can find ways to put pills into people’s hands?
Jean-Marie: We need to be clear about who is doing this—because this has been the single-minded effort of anti-abortion activists for decades.
They set an agenda. They had a goal. They didn’t care about science. They didn’t care about safety, don’t care about healthcare. They don’t care about agency. They don’t care about autonomy. We’ve got to be really, really, really, really clear as to who got us here and why we are here. Part of the reason why I say this, especially now, is we don’t want to have to be trying to point fingers at one another, like: How did we get here? Who didn’t do enough? Who had the wrong strategy?
They have a strategy, and they’ve been able to manipulate local governments and courts. They’ve been able to implement restrictions and regulations that are completely not in keeping with science. They’ve developed and published a very clear strategy that pushes their points of view to the highest level of government, all despite the fact that abortion access is overwhelmingly popular. It is supported. It’s needed. It’s a human right.
Those are the things, and the conditions, and the level of focus that has brought us to this point. It is a really big charge for all of us to think about how we navigate out of this, out of where we are. What are the legal tools? What are the ways that we restore agency to people? How do we, as Plan C and other organizations, make sure that information and care and community is embedded at the center of what it looks like to reestablish and regain access to our own agency?
There’s a lot to be figured out for the path ahead, but when you ask the question about how did we get here, it is the machinations of a group of people who decided that what they believe and what they want is more important than my or your or your neighbor’s or my daughter’s ability to decide what they want to do with their body, and when, and how.
The future of abortion, as we see it, is one where everyone has the abortion that they want and need. They have the resources that they need. They have access to this safe and effective medication that might even be tucked away, in their cabinet, in case of future use, and that they are not at risk of being criminally prosecuted for self-managing their care.
Amy Merrill
Merrill: What’s so powerful about their levers that they can pull are that it is wrapped up in extremist Christian ideology that has been presented in a certain way to say that this is a holy mission, that this is about saving lives, saving fetuses. That makes it hard for some people to argue with, because, suddenly, you have this spiritual component of it.
We don’t get to talk about this part of the issue very often in our work because we’re so focused on getting the public health message out. But that’s where my mind goes when I think about not only why are we here—because of decades of political actions—but why were those political actions undisputed or pushed forward with such fervor, with such buy-in, despite the numbers showing that the public in the U.S. is massively approving of abortion? It’s because it’s wrapped up in this religious ideology. It makes it that much more complicated to unwind.
I have one more thought about stigma—that’s a word that gets so thrown around, maybe it’s over-used. What does it mean to have stigma against abortion? One of the counter examples we talk about at Plan C is the normalcy of medications like Viagra and the normalcy of a Hims ad that talks about how easy it is to get medications by mail, to help with the male side of the equation.
It’s so hypocritical to compare those two, side by side—to look at the prevalence of a medication like Viagra, which is available easily online, etcetera, and then look at how abortion pills are treated, which is the thing that happens after sex and unwanted pregnancy.
It’s just a matter of, again, shining a light on the whole life cycle of sexual and reproductive health, what is needed at each stage. When we destigmatize it, when we treat it like the normal human experience that it is, then we have an opportunity to better care for people, to better get them what they need, at any moment in that journey or experience.
This is a vision of pills in hands, of pills that are able to give people more agency and autonomy over their abortions. That has been a steady vision for a decade.
Amy Merrill
Rios: How is Plan C planning to navigate the turmoil of the next four years—and where do you believe this movement needs to go next to really provide a powerful counteraction to these machinations that we’re seeing, that are working, that are disregarding our agency and our rights?
Merrill: I would start by saying there’s something that a lot of people don’t know about the current abortion access landscape, which is that the systems that are in place can largely provide for the need. Meaning the systems with telehealth and different aspects of new models of care, pills by mail, have a lot of leeway to scale up if they choose to.
Aside from that, there are hotlines that are serving the needs of thousands of people. There are funds. The funding situation is actually really dire—that would be a place that needs a lot more support. But there is this ecosystem that folks don’t really know about, and it’s understandable, because you don’t need to know about it until you need to know about it. You don’t need this information until you need an abortion.
The reason we talk about sharing information as such a powerful action is because so many people still don’t know about this ecosystem of care that exists. That feels like the number-one opportunity to make change, to continue forward with this movement toward abortion access in spite of the unjust landscape.
There’s a site that we helped launch at the end of last year, right around Election Day, called YouAlwaysHaveOptions.com, and that was a way to put all these resources in one place. You can start there. You can see what’s going on in the realm of abortion access and see what resources might be useful, depending on what the person’s situation is.
Sharing information is going to continue to be so powerful, and the movement needs support, needs people to keep donating and keep volunteering and keep being involved.
There is going to be turmoil. They’re trying to come for pills. How do we make it so hard, be so loud, that when they come, they can’t take it away?
Angie Jean-Marie
Jean-Marie: Information is the name of the game. Folks can and should inform themselves, and there’s something about where we are, right now, that can’t really predict the future. We were waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Folks in the movement, in uncertain times, and with work like abortion, that’s politically volatile and politically charged, folks may decide—’Okay, well, I’m actually going to step back,’ or we’ve been saying pre-comply, and we’ve seen, in other parts of this political landscape, lots of pre-compliance, for reasons that I don’t actually really understand. But it goes back to what I said earlier: Nothing has changed yet. We stay firm in the fact that nothing has changed yet, and when the landscape changes, folks can rely on organizations like Plan C, some of the partners that we’ve mentioned, to understand what’s going on.
We really want to emphasize that nothing has changed yet. People don’t need to be any more confused than they have been, because what exists today, as of this podcast taping, is the same as what existed in December 2024, and so, I just think that that point is really, really important, and it linksto some of how Plan C got here.
For years, people were saying, ‘You can’t do that, you can’t do that.’ There was a lot of nervousness around this idea of pills and this new technology. We just want to really emphasize, for folks in this movement: be firm, be clear, stand strong—and rely upon organizations, rely upon this incredible ecosystem that has evolved really, really rapidly to seek out answers and uplift what is real. Let’s not just only be afraid, but let’s uplift what is real.
There is going to be turmoil. They’re trying to come for pills. How do we make it so hard, be so loud, that when they come, they can’t take it away?
What can we be doing in these months and weeks where things remain uncertain? We’re not sure what the FDA is going to do, we’re not sure what’s going to happen with the Alliance of Hippocratic Medicine case, but how do we share this information, get people to understand how things have evolved in the abortion pill ecosystem, to see that this is part of the future of abortion access, and be so firm and clear in the fact that we deserve access to pills that when they try to take it, we’re going to raise hell.
Rios: What should listeners be doing, what can individual people be doing right now to defend, in advance, that ecosystem, to support the work you both are doing, and to support the work your partners are doing, so the movement can be connected and be made stronger than ever?
Merrill: Become informed and share out the information that you learn. When we talk about the current political landscape, the chaos is the point, right? Bans are about control, it’s not just controlling the outcomes of people’s lives, but it’s about control of people, in general, by creating this fear and confusion.
One of the best ways to mitigate that fear and confusion is by becoming informed, whether or not you need an abortion, whether or not you will ever need one, you can go online. You can learn about how this method works, with pills by mail, and with self-managed care at home. You can learn about the clinic landscape that’s out there. You can learn about the ins and outs of the legal, the peer networks that are helping folks.
There’s so much going on that you can become informed about, and you can also share out information, as and when you feel good about sharing. Everyone’s going to assess their own personal circumstance and decide where and when they feel good about sharing information, but that is really transformative. To mitigate the chaos, you can sow evidence-based information on what is real, what is happening, what is available. That feels like our evergreen call to action.
We also have a community. The Plan C community is where folks are gathering online to share news articles, to share learning opportunities, to take action, sometimes locally, in their own communities. You can find that on our website [placpills.org]. You can also find resources about how folks are getting pills in advance.
We know that thousands of people across the country, since the election, have stocked up, have put pills in their cabinets at home. We know that that’s a real and available option that folks are taking advantage of, and there’s information on our site about that. Finally, donating to these organizations is what keeps them going.
The ecosystem is made up of incredible 501c3 nonprofit organizations that are doing this out of passion, out of the opportunity that they see to make change, and so folks who can’t get hands-on involved can always donate or fundraise for organizations like ours or others.
We need to be clear about who is doing this—because this has been the single-minded effort of anti-abortion activists for decades. They set an agenda. They had a goal. They didn’t care about science. They didn’t care about safety, don’t care about healthcare. They don’t care about agency. They don’t care about autonomy.
Angie Jean-Marie
Jean-Marie: Don’t despair. When I think about the last several years, more people than ever have been showing that they support abortion access. The same political conditions that have us arrived where we are now are the same political conditions that passed abortion protections in constitutions across the country, that saw voters fighting against efforts to further restrict abortion access.
Even though the political circumstances are challenging, the headwinds in terms of public opinion are in our favor. I would just really encourage folks to remember that and to consider that as they’re processing all that’s coming out, now and in the months and weeks and years to come.
We at Plan C are here to provide people with information about their options. So, visit PlanCPills.org to get information about how folks are accessing abortion pills in all 50 states.
Rios: This podcast is looking back on the lessons of the last 50 years. What do you hope or believe that the next 50 years of feminist organizing can and will accomplish—for abortion access, for reproductive justice?
Merrill: It’s going to be a wild ride. I’ve been thinking a lot about the conversation this country is having about the lines of gender, equity, fairness and identity, and the lash back that’s happening. We’re going to be in it for a minute while people figure out what they’re comfortable with and how we can all coexist together in a more peaceful way.
Feminism will continue to evolve. We’re already seeing that—folks grappling with what it means to be a feminist and what it looks like to push for values of equity and justice in such a complicated landscape of the current-day United States. Over the next 50 years, I think technology is going to drive ahead at breakneck pace. I think we’re going to be scrambling to keep up with all of these different tools and ways of communicating and connecting and doing things in life that are going to absolutely affect the way that we tackle social issues and the way that we deal with things like healthcare and access.
There’s so much opportunity, and that’s why we do what we do. That opportunity is there to transform care, to help people get what they need to be okay, to reduce unnecessary labor in different aspects of life. How decisions will be made, how we decide, collectively, who gets what kind of access, who gets to use what kind of tools, how they’re used, for the benefit of whom—those are all the big questions that we’re going to be wading through for years and years to come.
I ultimately can’t help but be hopeful. I think that we’re in it, right now, because these are longstanding issues, discrepancies, messy areas of culture and of society that we haven’t dealt with. So, here we are, dealing with them, in our face. We can’t not deal with them, because half the country has abortion bans that are massively disrupting people’s lives.
Abortion, like so many other issues, has cracked wide open. We’re dealing with it head-on, and I believe in the MLK JR quote, that the long arc of history bends toward justice. And I believe that in hindsight, we’ll look back on this time, and we’ll see it for its messiness, and its tenderness, and its confusion, and hopefully, we will have landed somewhere with more clarity and more access for all.
Jean-Marie: That’s a very hard question, but two words are coming to mind for me about what feminism can accomplish in the next 50 years: openness is coming to mind, and restructuring is coming to mind. We’re in a tough spot, and I think it would be unwise not to think that the impacts of what’s happening, right now, politically, are not going to be generational.
It’s going to have a far-reaching impact, but I’m also really, really hopeful that there will be a great restructuring toward more feminist ideals and perspectives, ones that are really about care, that are really about community, that are about openness—openness to folks’ decision making, openness to different models, openness to people’s desires and belief systems.
I remain optimistic that we will become a nurturing and open society, and that has to happen through a really great restructuring. There’s something about this period that is just a lot to process. I am a Millennial, and when I thought about growing up, becoming an adult, having a family—this was not the environment and the conditions that I thought that was all going to happen within. I have that optimism, but I’m also really grappling with the fact that things are so different from how I thought they were going to be at this point. And it’s also not our fault.
We have to figure out, and buck up, and come together, and determine: How are we going to lead towards that restructuring that is going to have to happen to achieve all of the ideals that so many of us hold within us?
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